A 'Miracle' Happened!

[Toppack]

A Miracle Happened! :shock: :-D

 

One of our motherboards suddenly stopped booting.

It would not initialize BIOS. :roll:

I replaced the CPU, RAM, PSU and Video-card in it, but still No Joy. :-(

So, I replaced it with a new mobo.

 

Instead of throwing it away, I thought I would give it one more try in a different case with another old CPU,

and 'Miracle', it started booting again! :!:

 

I then put all the original stuff back in it and it's Still working Fine. :-D

(the Only thing different is the case)

 

I have No idea what happened to it or why it stated booting properly,

but I'm very glad it did because it is a fairly new and expensive mobo.

 

The only problem is that we now have an Extra computer that no one needs.

I suppose I'll just save it until the NEXT problem. :lol:

 

BTW - this was one of our Air-cooled CPU systems, so it can Not be blamed on my new Water-cooling mods. :lol:

All three water-cooled systems are still going strong. :-D

[wozofoz]

Love it when a plan goes right

 

....I have No idea what happened to it.....

I know the feeling, my guess is it was fixed because of time or space or temperature or weather or magic or gremlins or something else entirely :-P

 

Just let that puppy nap :mrgreen:

 

All the best, woz of oz

[Toppack]

Yep, Gremlins for Sure! :lol:

 

I'm starting to think it was conductive dust particles,

shorting something,

and then the electrical-short was knocked loose, while removing and replacing it.

 

The lesson from this is 'to Not give-up and Keep trying' :idea:

[peleus]

It had to be the mobo. BIOS resides there. Maybe it needed some time to function. Just saying. :grin:

[Toppack]

Yep, I'm still Going with Gremlins, on that mobo failure ! :lol:

 

We got a BSOD (blue-screen) on 'Lefty' today. :-(

( 'Lefty' is what we are calling the Azza-9000 computer, since it is Left-handed (up-side/down configuration) ;-)

 

I lowered the CPU Clock-frequency from 4.2GHz to 4.1GHz

and see if that helps,

since I think 4.2 is Pushing the Limit of what the overall system can handle.

 

(I ran the Windows System-Index Tests at 4.1, with No problems

but got another BSOD at 4.2 )

[Toppack]

Another "Miracle" Happened :!:

 

The FX-6300 CPU in 'Lefty' is 63 Degrees F, (17.C) at idle. :shock:

(All 6 cores, at 4.1GHz, with room-temp at 81.deg.F)

(That's reported by both CPUID Hardware-monitor and Core-Temp utilities) :shock:

 

I did Not know a CPU could be that Cold while operating :?: :!:

 

That Large (400X200mm) radiator must Really be 'Doing It's Job'! :grin:

[Toppack]

Well, I've decided that there is No way the CPU-cores can be Colder than Room-temp, :?

so that means Both utilities are reading the CPU's sensors incorrectly

or the 6 sensors, in the FX-6300, are all reading wrong?

Or maybe there is a compatibility problem some where?

 

I've not determined which it is and can not figure out a Good way to test it ??? :-(

But I'll Keep Trying!

[enoskype]

Hi Toppack,

 

That's what I thought too!

 

Have you tried the temperature gauge that we use for the children and for adults which you just keep it at a ditance of 2-4 inches from the target and click the measure button. It sends infrared beam to the target and sees the bounced back beam to measure the temp.

It is very precise and dependable. It can be bought from pharmacy or drug store in Eurpe. I am not sure where they are sold in the States.

 

 

http://www.thermometer-supplier.com/photo/pc663725-automatic_infrared_forehead_thermometer_temperature_gauge_for_human_body.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31g3TN%2BKTIL._SL500_SS100_.jpg

 

 

 

Cheers.

[Toppack]

The problem is that the temp-sensors, that those Temp utility-programs get their data from, are Inside the CPU.

Any type of measurement Outside the CPU will be very different.

I have several ways of getting Outside temp but it's just Not the Same and not as accurate. :?

That is, It's Usually 'Not as Accurate'! And is Supposed to be More Accurate, Inside !

 

BTW - there is also a CPU-Socket temp-sensor, on the mobo,

and it is about 97. deg F at Idle,

So internal temp must be at least that hot

[Toppack]

I connected a 2nd monitor to 'Lefty', so I could better watch the Temps,

while running bench-mark and game programs.

 

The highest I saw, at the Socket, was 102. F, with Heaven-benchmark

and 104.F, with Crysis-3.

(Which I think is Very Good !)

 

The core temps never got above 65. F, though.

 

So, I will be using Socket-temp Only (tmpin0), as a reference on this computer.

(The 'Core-temp' utility does not monitor Socket-temp, so I will be using 'CPUID-Hardware-monitor' program for that)

 

Maybe the Temp-utility programs need a version upgrade, to work correctly with these FX CPUs, but I could not find any yet ?

[atailor1]

Hi Toppack,

 

I can vouch for the fact, that those FX series chips have a wonky temp sensor.

 

My FX4100 with the Prolimatech Genesis cooler with two 120mm Gelid fans, running off Y cable splitter for PWM show similar crazy temps.

 

Core temp shows 32 degrees at idle and seldom get above 65 degrees under load. So like you I've been monitoring TMPIN 0 with Hardware Monitor and a more realistic 91 degrees is showing there.

 

Note: Temps are in degrees Farenheit.

[enoskype]

If you haven't, try it!

 

Hi Toppack,

 

Have you ever used SpeedFan from Alfredo Milani Comparetti ?

 

I was very satisfied when using it with my PCs.

 

Cheers.

[Toppack]

Hi Toppack,

 

Have you ever used SpeedFan

 

I Have used an older version but I see that the latest version does much More. :shock:

I will give it a try! Thanks!

 

Edit - I tried it and it appears to Still Not monitor CPU-Core temps,

it does monitor motherboard-socket temp though.

So, it may be good to use to verify the 'Hardware-monitor' data for socket.

[Toppack]

Hi Toppack,

 

I can vouch for the fact, that those FX series chips have a wonky temp sensor.

 

 

Thanks for the Info.

It is very helpful to know that My computer is Not the Only one that is "Wonky"! :lol:

[Toppack]

I forgot that AMD's 'Overdrive' software monitors core-temps.

It says all cores, of the FX-6300, are at 16.5 deg C (61. F) Also.

 

So 'What are You Gonna Do' if the software put out by the CPU makers is Not even correct. :-(

 

As of Now, I don't think there is Any software that will read them correctly. :shock: :-?

 

I could maybe understand this if I was using an older motherboard but this is a completely New system with all new components.

[Toppack]

My guess is that AMD is trying to 'Cut Cost' and just left out the core temp-sensors, of the FX series. :?

And the utility software is just reading internal resistance at those pins of the CPU. :roll:

[Scannan]

Hi Toppack,

 

I can vouch for the fact, that those FX series chips have a wonky temp sensor.

 

My FX4100 with the Prolimatech Genesis cooler with two 120mm Gelid fans, running off Y cable splitter for PWM show similar crazy temps.

 

Core temp shows 32 degrees at idle and seldom get above 65 degrees under load. So like you I've been monitoring TMPIN 0 with Hardware Monitor and a more realistic 91 degrees is showing there.

 

Note: Temps are in degrees Farenheit.

 

Toppack/atailor1

 

Is it possible that the Hardware Monitor is seeing degrees F (showing 91) whereas the Core Temp is seeing gegrees C where 32C=90F....Just a thought???

[Toppack]

No, the core-temps are Way-off, no matter how you try to convert or correct. :roll:

(in all three utilities I've tried, which all get the Same error)