Accusation Thread - Dispute

[IndiGenus]

p.s. pestering the forum with all this is more than unfair to all users and members seeking assistance to computer/program problems.

I'm sorry solbjerg, I will not post any more. But please....get them to take down those pages and references to them. Even if they were hacked (not), the pages are still hosted on their site and it's their responsibility to remove them. Bottom line is they are responsible for the content in their domain, which it is!

[PCTech]

PCTech

Have you read IObit's blog?

An explanation has been there since yesterday!

They will probably write more there when there is some developement to report and explain.

Cheers

solbjerg

p.s. pestering the forum with all this is more than unfair to all users and members seeking assistance to computer/program problems.

 

Pestering the forum? Really? I have made a total of 3 posts since this issue came out. Said posts were made in a thread specifically created to address the issue.

 

Yes, I am aware of the IObit blog. I simply made a request to a moderator to ask if there was any way that we could be provided a member of the IObit team, so that some of your LOYAL users could ask some questions for their own comfort. Questions that cannot all be addressed in a prepared statement.

 

I'm sorry that you felt the need to become sarcastic towards me and accuse me of pestering the forum. I have not bashed your software, nor have I taken a side. I even took the time to thank one of your mods for being classy throughout this. I just wish that you would take the same attitude as some of the other moderators...

[Madballs]

I'm sorry solbjerg, I will not post any more. But please....get them to take down those pages and references to them. Even if they were hacked (not), the pages are still hosted on their site and it's their responsibility to remove them. Bottom line is they are responsible for the content in their domain, which it is!

 

I agree with you IndiGenus.

 

 

Let´s give these guys a little hand until there is a final word on the Malwarebytes case :|

[solbjerg]

Hi Madballs

Yes I also think that pre-chosen add-ons is unwise.

But one does have the opportunity to deselect them though. At least in this case, - I did - and does not have that toolbar on my machine.

And the practice is wide-spread, you must have seen it numerous times!

 

About the site where porn links where found:

The heading on that page was:

Business Computer Home Repair Software

Most of the page had an advertising ad for IObit Product, but at the bottom there where additional links to many other sites among these some porn sites.

 

Not exactly a home site for IObit!! To put it mildly!!

Furthermore the links provided there takes you nowhere.

"Internal server error"

Cheers

solbjerg

 

 

I do really feel a bit sorry for all the Administrators and Moderators on this forum. My apologies if any of my comments have been mislead.

 

I serve in a security forum too; and I was really disapointed when I discovered the toolbar, not from Yahoo!, but the other one. I just only wanted to get an explaination for that change in the policies of including toolbars. Therefore, where I serve, people ask why they had this new toolbar form Conduit.

 

I have seen some cases where it was quite hard to get rid of Conduit's toolbars. And don't mention decreasing internet speed due to it :-|

[IndiGenus]

I know I said I wouldn't post any more but have to clarify and state my point here.....

 

About the site where porn links were found:

The heading on that page was:

Business Computer Home Repair Software

Most of the page had an advertising ad for IObit Product, but at the bottom there where additional links to many other sites among these some porn sites.

 

Not exactly a home site for IObit!! To put it mildly!!

How is this address NOT iobits'?

 

iobit.com/porn-games.html

 

EDIT: Sorry meant to truncate the link so it wouldn't work, my bad. But that is all IObit!

[theampersand]

'Scuze me, but what the eff is this: iobit.com/naruto-hentai.html

[solbjerg]

Hi PCTech

I am sorry, you misunderstand me, - the pestering is not you personally - but haven't you noticed what is going on??

I am responding not just to you but to readers of these pages.

Cheers

solbjerg

 

 

 

Pestering the forum? Really? I have made a total of 3 posts since this issue came out. Said posts were made in a thread specifically created to address the issue.

 

Yes, I am aware of the IObit blog. I simply made a request to a moderator to ask if there was any way that we could be provided a member of the IObit team, so that some of your LOYAL users could ask some questions for their own comfort. Questions that cannot all be addressed in a prepared statement.

 

I'm sorry that you felt the need to become sarcastic towards me and accuse me of pestering the forum. I have not bashed your software, nor have I taken a side. I even took the time to thank one of your mods for being classy throughout this. I just wish that you would take the same attitude as some of the other moderators...

[PCTech]

Hi PCTech

I am sorry, you misunderstand me, - the pestering is not you personally - but haven't you noticed what is going on??

I am responding not just to you but to readers of these pages.

Cheers

solbjerg

 

Fair enough. I do understand what has been happening, and that you are probably extremely stressed. Just understand that I was merely making a suggestion and taking a moment to thank one of your fellow admins. I have always strongly supported your products, and hopefully we can all get a resolution to this sooner, rather than later.

[solbjerg]

Ok PCTech

I am with you there :-)

I have just spent an hour or more in this thread trying to figure out what is going on and deleting porn links that are being submitted to the forum from the internet from hopefully well-meaning members, but these findings should not be submitted to the forum but rather to IObit directly.

And it comes on top of the flak we are recieving - also here on the forum - from the moral/ethical people around the world, - some of them does not apply the same high moral standard in regards to the language used. ;-)

And their subject really has were little to do with what we are trying to do on the forum.

Cheers

solbjerg

 

 

Fair enough. I do understand what has been happening, and that you are probably extremely stressed. Just understand that I was merely making a suggestion and taking a moment to thank one of your fellow admins. I have always strongly supported your products, and hopefully we can all get a resolution to this sooner, rather than later.

[fuzzydice45]

The blog from IObit is far from satisfactory.

It doesn't explain how IObit could detect a file as "Rogue.AVCleanSweepPro" when that malware name and the file associated with it doesn't exist in the wild, or anywhere outside of the MBAM team.

 

They got caught red-handed.

They reply with garbage which doesn't disprove or solve anything.

They refuse to reply to their own administrators.

They host malware on their site.

They have "porn games" on their site for marketing reasons.

 

MalwareByte's may have dug IObit's grave, but IObit freely jumped in and buried themself.

[solbjerg]

Hi fuzzydice

I think I have seen your position on this subject a couple of times before.

So why not wait and see what happens.

It is out of curtesy that we provide space for this discussion to take place on a forum that are dedicated to help users with problems regarding primarily the functioning of Iobit Products/programs and if we can - also other help measures if someone has the "ken".

It is really not very considerate to all those users to make us take the time to answer these moral subjects that actually has little to do with the forum.

Cheers

solbjerg

 

 

The blog from IObit is far from satisfactory.

It doesn't explain how IObit could detect a file as "Rogue.AVCleanSweepPro" when that malware name and the file associated with it doesn't exist in the wild, or anywhere outside of the MBAM team.

 

They got caught red-handed.

They reply with garbage which doesn't disprove or solve anything.

They refuse to reply to their own administrators.

They host malware on their site.

They have "porn games" on their site for marketing reasons.

 

MalwareByte's may have dug IObit's grave, but IObit freely jumped in and buried themself.

[Doriginal]

Like you said, if these threats were not in the wild, and the IObit blog states a user submitted these entries via the IObit database...Then IObit is stating someone from Malwarebytes set them up for a sabotage.

 

So if that is the case what proof do they have an anonymous user set this whole thing up and submitted these entries? If they want to clear their reputation, wouldn't they post this type of proof? Wouldn't this rogue submission into the DB have a record?

 

Sad to see this happen, I have installed various IObit products on hundreds of machines in the past. I liked the software a lot and had confidence in this company. I started seeing them go down a bad path via marketing and gimmicks for some time. The toolbar recently was a big turn for the worse IMO. Now porn links and games hosted on IObit.com is the final straw for me. Even if those links were too submitted by a rogue user to their server, what does that say about how secure this "security" company is? Besides the fact ppl are saying these pages haven't been modified in some weeks.

 

So I'm actually glad this came to light because I have since uninstalled all IObit related products from my PCs and will do so for all my customers also and advise them to spread the word of this deceit.

 

BTW, all IObit responses I have read thus far are very vague at best. Also not a good thing. But I will continue to follow this regardless in the 1% chance they are actually innocent.

[Melvin_Deal]

Thx Sol for being a voice of moderation.

 

Some people are malicious by nature and exhibit "displaced agression"... especially where there is no possibility of direct repercussions of their expression. You have stated eloquently and accurately that all should let the clock tick. Thanks!

[Melvin_Deal]

Well said jjj!

 

Thank you also for bing a voice of calmness!

[Melvin_Deal]

Aye to you also Vman.

 

I also noticed the newcomers saying almost exactly the same thing, over and over with great maliciousness... hovering over the forum continuously? They must not have a life or this is their job... eh?

[Melvin_Deal]

Interesting patterns of participation on this forum.

 

I have noticed many who joined this forum in the past, and post not... then suddenly become alive and fervently preoccupied with repeating the same thing over and over. Obsessed or paid I think!

[handyman]

To all these new junior members who are whining

 

that is Enough! :evil:

 

You're as hairless virgins who have a big inferiority complex and want to kiss their mother ...

 

if a press your nose, it still comes out of milk...

 

:evil:Go spew your venom on another forum strip assholes shit :evil:

 

very wrong regards

 

So, I get a warning for using a non swear word whilst all the IOBit fanboys can swear and insult our mothers with no warning.....riiiight

 

 

P.s. blackhat SEO using porn keywords is absolutely disgusting for a supposed security company....come on mods, how much more of this are you going to defend!

[vman]

As much as it takes.

 

 

Cussing, and direct attacks will NOT be tolerated.

[Melvin_Deal]

Titou is out of line.

 

Unacceptable.

[Melvin_Deal]

Links created by others.

 

Malicious ones created these links, then post here to further do damage... thats all.

[handyman]

I also noticed the newcomers saying almost exactly the same thing, over and over with great maliciousness... hovering over the forum continuously? They must not have a life or this is their job... eh?

 

Isn't that exactly what you are doing too, except you seem to be sticking up for IOBit even with every new revelation of their underhand tactics and general untrustworthiness :lol:

[handyman]

Malicious ones created these links, then post here to further do damage... thats all.

 

Which links are you talking about?

 

The IOBit porn ones?

 

Well I got news for ya buddy- If you look at google they been indexing those pages for a long time, so they are definitely the work of IOBit....or is this another evidence that malwarebytes "faked" and IOBit is still a fluffy bunny whos done nothing wrong :lol:

[theampersand]

http://i37.tinypic.com/fmktno.png

 

/facepalm

[Max Zorin]

Hi and warm greetings to all,

 

If this was industrial espionage by MBAM as IObit claim ,how did MBAM know that the files would be blindly converted into signatures and added to the IObit database ?

 

What are the chances of that having occured ?

 

And surely if that was the case they would have slipped some 3rd party applications stating MBAM detects as blah.blah to the IObit malware submission service.This inturn would make IObit start breaking 3rd party applications and thus look very incompetent.

 

What IObit has offered as explaination to me does not hold water when you look at the potential of such possible espionages.

 

Please also bear in mind after IObit denial they removed the suspect signatures from their database and then within 12 hours MBAM had released yet more trap files that IObit still detected.

 

What next will these also be removed from the IObit database too ?

 

I think we do not give credit to MBAM(surely they must play chess).No doubt they have many more such trap signatures(unique to MBAM database) that should not be occuring elsewhere unless they have been copy and pasted from the unencrypted MBAM database on mass.

 

For now i wait for next IObit denial or counter accusation and then the innevitable next MBAM publication of yet more proofs.

 

My respect to the forum mods for keeping a lid on what is no doubt a cauldron of contreversy.

[firzen771]

Hi and warm greetings to all,

 

If this was industrial espionage by MBAM as IObit claim ,how did MBAM know that the files would be blindly converted into signatures and added to the IObit database ?

 

What are the chances of that having occured ?

 

And surely if that was the case they would have slipped some 3rd party applications stating MBAM detects as blah.blah to the IObit malware submission service.This inturn would make IObit start breaking 3rd party applications and thus look very incompetent.

 

What IObit has offered as explaination to me does not hold water when you look at the potential of such possible espionages.

 

Please also bear in mind after IObit denial they removed the suspect signatures from their database and then within 12 hours MBAM had released yet more trap files that IObit still detected.

 

What next will these also be removed from the IObit database too ?

 

I think we do not give credit to MBAM(surely they must play chess).No doubt they have many more such trap signatures(unique to MBAM database) that should not be occuring elsewhere unless they have been copy and pasted from the unencrypted MBAM database on mass.

 

For now i wait for next IObit denial or counter accusation and then the innevitable next MBAM publication of yet more proofs.

 

My respect to the forum mods for keeping a lid on what is no doubt a cauldron of contreversy.

 

o wow, thought id never see this guy again, the famous max zorin who was flamed off the WilderSecurity forum, well its nice to see ur tune has changed about MBAM, not like it was before wen u wuld bash MBAM continuously :razz: