Accusation Thread - Dispute

[bags]

This is good example of racism I say before, you see now??

 

If that was a legitimate posting, then yes it was brutally ignorant. rcgflr - please, stop it, we don't need your kind of help.

 

The facts will be more then enough to show who is guilty w/o stooping to this level.

[bags]

I've read various threads and posts on this. If Malwarebytes were so good then how was the data stolen?

 

The quality of something is not reflected on in a negative or positive way if someone else steals it. Perhaps you were unable to express what you really meant, but if that is what you really mean, you will gain no respect from the wise.

[bags]

I am a solid IObit supporter and don't believe they need to copy a competitor's work as they have all the necessary expertise at their own fingertips. I am quietly confident that they will prove these allegations against them to be false. One thing I do find very strange, though, a large percentage of posters to these threads appear to be newcomers.

 

I had no reason to post until I had a toolbar foisted on me I couldn't delete - on Oct 29th 2009 during a IObit update. Until then I was just another happy paying customer of IObit.

 

This latest issue is so close in time and my personal interests that I will not leave it, until a satisfactory ending is arrived at.

[Ronster1]

IO Bit possibly creating MALWARE based on your databases.

 

OK I dont know crap about them stealing databases. I DO KNOW THAT AFTER installing it trying to get rid of some nasty malware it it didn't stop. It was continual even after deleting registry keys and files that were reported in a hijack this file ( not on this site). It came back every day sometimes several times a day, and my comp would just start talking ads to me. I ran mawarebytes, and spybot S&D. Could not run Combofix because even though it said NOT to run in windows 7 I tried and always got the this file is corrupt. Anyway did a restore from command line. got to my way back and ran malwarebytes and combofix and all seems good so far.

 

Deleted ALL restore points and starting fresh I hope. IOBit needs to be stopped.

 

 

 

Ronster

[testando]

Not trying to be a racist here, but when a software company in the land of the masters of malware and internet crime tries to get attention with blatant lies and "product comparisons", you just get to know that their one more lame "company" from China, 1 less or 1 more, who really cares ?

 

These guys know they are safe to lie, cheat or steal, there ain't even a law that can halt them at it.

[Not a fan]

I've read various threads and posts on this. If Malwarebytes were so good then how was the data stolen? If it was... then they're no good... can't even keep people out of their own database!!! Possibly big industry leader wants to stomp small competitor??? Planting seeds to stomp??

 

From malwarebytes forum:

 

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Done. But -- how did they get your database? Isn't it protected?

 

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We can't prevent the database from being accessed. We can make it tough but if we made it impossible, our app wouldn't be able to read it!

[dcrowe0050]

I've read various threads and posts on this. If Malwarebytes were so good then how was the data stolen? If it was... then they're no good... can't even keep people out of their own database!!! Possibly big industry leader wants to stomp small competitor??? Planting seeds to stomp??

 

I've read posts about people deleting/remooving posts just based on National origin of writers. How stupid... look at the label on your underwear!! Human beings share virtually identical DNA! We are the same. Its our experience that drives us to different conclusions.

 

By reading posts of IOBIT guy and other IOBIT team players... the grammatical errors were there for everybody to see. If you're surprised than try to translate your English properly for them!! Its a global community!

 

That's all I got to say 'bout that!

 

Sorry to be so blunt but don't be an idiot, if Malwarebytes protected their database too much then their own users wouldn't be able to get updates, besides that what in the world does database theft (alleged) have to do with the quality of their anti malware product, IE. detection capabilities.

I personally do not care what the outcome is, just the way this was handled by Iobit is enough for me to not trust this product.

[aaa839]

The evidence is clearly showing that iobit is guilty of stealing the malwarebytes database, You people will be going under soon, of that

I have no doubt.

 

Just out of intrest can any one from the iobit staff explain the detection of AVCleanSweepPro, a rouge that doesn't even exist? (well except

in Malwarebytes and iobit database). I would really like to hear this.

 

 

 

 

 

Malwarebytes has been popular for somtime now and doing an excellent job, untill today I had never even heard of iobit.

 

 

 

 

I think this is a very good choice and I think other iobit customers should follow this example if you have any moral or ethics.

 

I think ou should shurt up here because you just are making another problem not solving the problem

This events we are only users we support our likely products

but don't makes anyothers problem

I know that you are support you likely products

but don't attact anyother to support this is extremely unwise

[itsmejjj]

i was very summarized, to see this -as stated in the lounge post about locking a thread,ending ,looking here ,so it seems company's chucking, one charging ,one defending-

one blaming about pinching ,data - the other saying No,well it seems that now the feathers are flying about-how to gather them and put back into the pillow?

this is very distressing,Sad,after the MCfee,thing--deary me .i do hope its all

Untrue,I for one ,would be very Sad ,as i have become a fan of the Iobit products,

 

i do hope this will be sorted out--and if proven untrue,by OIBIT ,that seems it must do now,hope its done very fast--and a statement made --to stop rumors-

and if proven Untrue,the other side to a statement of apology--

i think we all need to keep calm here -members get be hide the products-in support

obit get beside the MEMBERS--and stand proudly together!!

 

this is very bad for moral--and upsetting to read-as for members that post ante posts, are or should be asked to take it easy ,and not get on and put the boots in --this is not helping any one--if someone is not a fan -get lost!!

i also think this IOBIT MUST MAKE A TREAD TO ALLOW IT TO EXPLANATORY

post there findings,(why was this deleted and locked? Declaration from IObit) and allow comments, AND NOT LOCK IT? perhaps kill abusive remarks or edited,but allow points of view--?

thank you for understanding my asking --

 

 

itsmejjj

[Richard123]

The evidence is clearly showing that iobit is guilty of stealing the malwarebytes database, You people will be going under soon, of that

I have no doubt.

 

Just out of intrest can any one from the iobit staff explain the detection of AVCleanSweepPro, a rouge that doesn't even exist? (well except

in Malwarebytes and iobit database). I would really like to hear this.

 

 

 

 

 

Malwarebytes has been popular for somtime now and doing an excellent job, untill today I had never even heard of iobit.

 

 

 

 

I think this is a very good choice and I think other iobit customers should follow this example if you have any moral or ethics.

 

 

 

Iobit uses heuristics, meaning that it shows what it thinks is a virus/malware .So the virus/malware doesn't have to be in the iobit database to be detected...Wonder if thats the case for all these problems!!!!!

 

If it is than i have just hit the jackpot! =)

[Melvin_Deal]

definitions filies are indigineous to the carrier. thats the source of mb's claim...

 

I'm not an idiot... only stupid. With varying international property rights laws from "if you can get it... its yours!", to "its copyrighted here so you better not get it". Of course definition files are downloaded by hundreds of millions of users everyday! Iobits mistake was in essence to "copy and paste" these files, trusting their sources, into their software. They don't have the resources MB does... they have hope and trust in the computing world. This is a lesson hard learned for them. Some love to hate and distrust... accuse without understanding. Its easy to point the finger when you think you know the truth... Just remember when you point your finger, two of your own are pointing back at you.

[itsmejjj]

Some love to hate and distrust... accuse without understanding. Its easy to point the finger when you think you know the truth... Just remember when you point your finger, two of your own are pointing back at you.

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well stated!!

itsmejjj

[ShanOw]

Iobit uses heuristics, meaning that it shows what it thinks is a virus/malware .So the virus/malware doesn't have to be in the iobit database to be detected...Wonder if thats the case for all these problems!!!!!

 

If it is than i have just hit the jackpot! =)

 

These fake files were a; never released and b; not malicious in any way. A heuristic engine detects files acting in a dangerous way, while these files were just harmless fake .exe's.

 

That also doesn't explain how files that are never released can be detected by the same name. Heuristic engines detect files never seen before - so how does it know the name.

[alfie]

Is The 25k$ Challenge Still On????

 

I have asked you before also and I am asking you again, whether 25000$ challenge is still on or not.....

Or you are planning to shun this IObit.

[fuzzydice45]

These fake files were a; never released and b; not malicious in any way. A heuristic engine detects files acting in a dangerous way, while these files were just harmless fake .exe's.

 

That also doesn't explain how files that are never released can be detected by the same name. Heuristic engines detect files never seen before - so how does it know the name.

 

Also, if it was detected with heuristics it would've shown up with "Heur." or some other affix to show that it was detected with it's heuristic engine.

 

There's only 3 things that could've happened, that I can think of.

(A) IObit stole that signatures from MBAM.

(B) Someone else stole the signatures from MBAM and sent them to IObit.

© MBAM sent IObit the signatures themself to trap them.

 

While all three are possible, A is far more likely than B, which again is far more likely than C.

[Richard123]

These fake files were a; never released and b; not malicious in any way. A heuristic engine detects files acting in a dangerous way, while these files were just harmless fake .exe's.

 

That also doesn't explain how files that are never released can be detected by the same name. Heuristic engines detect files never seen before - so how does it know the name.

 

 

ahh thanks for clearing that up =)

[k4you]

These Are The Comments Made

 

Instead of answering thiscomments why have you removed it from your site?

Why do you people asks for the comments when you are not able to digest them.

This is unfair isn't it??

[vman]

Yeah, of course, If I don't approve of IOBit making this out to be some big joke that must make me a malwarebytes employee :lol:....what next tin foil hats to stop the government reading our minds?

 

Since we're all throwing accusations around, I thought one more wouldn't hurt.

 

 

Just seems odd how so much time can be put into attacking a software.

[jelrikj]

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But Iobit security 360 Scans Also Cookies And Malwarebytes's Anti-Malware NOT! Shoudn't That Than Be In The DATABASE Together?

[vman]

I'm not sure who's deleting these threads, as I too believe people's voices should be heard. This I will agree on, as it is unjust, and strips away the members from questioning. Without questioning anything, we cant get anywhere.

 

Iobit is lurking in dangerous waters, as is MBAM. One will try anything to disprove the other. Members attacking members, however, is something that should not be tolerated, as it gets us nowhere.

[itsmejjj]

yep i have been reading the posts on the debate -very closely -ok ya all made a point -how about a time out -give this a chance to get fixed-posting to and fro to perhaps win ,or will a opinion, not going to get it fixed any faster-Stop the swipe, .slinging comments -how about sitting back,relax ,calm done -lets see how it pans out-remember admins do this fore free-members post to support

 

please lets settle down -before some one getts crazy and post something regrettable

 

itsmejjj

[snake]

My post was deleted:

 

I believe you misunderstood. I was simply saying, it is possible, for mbam to upload that definition into iobits uploader and the iobit team added to their definitions.

 

So MBAM upload a file and your analyst simply add the file, with the same definition and name without analysing it. Come one...

 

I reverse your database and MBAM one. It is clear that you stole the definitions.

 

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3559/iobit.png

 

The ridiculousness: who will trust and depend on a security product that can NOT even protect itself?

:wink:

[vman]

The admins/moderators do not get paid for this, all we can do at this point is maintain some form of, for a lack of a better word, civility. Honestly, attacking each other, and constant nagging and name throwing isn't helping any of us.

[itsmejjj]

My post was deleted:

 

 

 

So MBAM upload a file and your analyst simply add the file, with the same definition and name without analysing it. Come one...

 

I reverse your database and MBAM one. It is clear that you stole the definitions.

 

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3559/iobit.png

 

:wink:

 

please your first post ?? do not attack my mates here please no need for this--and as your post delighted ,probably wrong?

 

be civil -take it calm-thank you!

[vman]

Im not saying that is what happened, we could sit here and throw out millions of possibilities. But the fact still remains, that it MIGHT have been possible.

 

I did stress, that this was only a theory, and i personally do not believe it was done as such. I dont think any software company would intentionally attack another, but then again, I dont know all too much about the 'war' between security software.

 

I was trying to get the whole concept of "possibility" across.