The elephant in the room

[JustDave]

There's an elephant in the room and that elephant is the current IS360 signature databse. More and more users are commenting on the differences between the detection capabilities of v1.2 and v1.1, and people seem to be dancing around the answer.

 

The v1.2 database is less than half the the size of the v1.1 database. I have no doubt that's directly due to the removal of the "disputed definitions." It stands to reason that if you wipe half your definitions you're going to see reduced effectiveness.

 

Until IObit can clean up and repopulate the signature database IS360 is essentially guaranteed to let more malware through. Honesty and recognition of the dangers of the Internet require that we users accept that and take appropriate action to protect ourselves. I haven't yet decided what I'm going to do to take up the slack. Anyone have any suggestions?

[zegman]

There's an elephant in the room and that elephant is the current IS360 signature databse. More and more users are commenting on the differences between the detection capabilities of v1.2 and v1.1, and people seem to be dancing around the answer.

 

The v1.2 database is less than half the the size of the v1.1 database. I have no doubt that's directly due to the removal of the "disputed definitions." It stands to reason that if you wipe half your definitions your going to see reduced effectiveness.

 

Until IObit can clean up and repopulate the signature database IS360 is essentially guaranteed to let more malware through. Honesty and recognition of the dangers of the Internet require that we users accept that and take appropriate action to protect ourselves. I haven't yet decided what I'm going to do to take up the slack. Anyone have any suggestions?

 

 

a2 antimalware + antivirus free 1 year license for 24 hours. Very good detection rates.

 

 

http://www.emsisoft.com/en/order/24h/

[enoskype]

Hi JustDave,

 

I believe one of the actions is, to use an other antimalware product together with it until the database is repopulated.

 

I have been doing that since the release of Is 360.

 

That's my opinion anyway.

 

 

Cheers.

 

EDIT: zegman's point is a good one to consider.

[JustDave]

zegman - I saw detailer's link. I've downloaded A2 but haven't installed.

 

enoskype - What are you using?

[sunny staines]

A2 is prone to too many false positives which destroy the good protection it offers

[sunny staines]

i am running beta4 of norton 360.[i know norton is a bad word here with iobit users but i like it & not let me down yet]

[enoskype]

Hi JustDave,

 

Mamutu, MSE, AVG Pro, IS360 on my Windows7 as real-time, and some others for on demand.

 

Ad-aware, Windows Defender, McAfee, IS360, TeaTimer, and ZAP on my XP Pro sp3 as real time, and some others for on demand.

 

Cheers.

[wozofoz]

I got the A-Squared free 1 year licence a few weeks ago but haven't installed it yet. I can't seem to get excited about it.

 

I have always used Security 360, SuperAntiSpyware plus SpyBot Search & Destroy and have never had anything more than a mild Cookie.

Safe surfing habits is the key to this I guess :wink:

 

I use these 3 because none are perfect.

 

Also have Commodo CIS as my Firewall, HIPS and anti-virus

 

(I posted this in the wrong thread before :oops: )

 

All the best, woz of oz

[PCTech]

i am running beta4 of norton 360.[i know norton is a bad word here with iobit users but i like it & not let me down yet]

 

I really don't believe Norton 360 is as bad as some say. Norton has become the General Motors of security products. Their products are becoming stronger, but they have a damaged reputation from previous less than stellar efforts.

 

I think these type of products are very user dependent, and that a user's preferences should determine what they use, assuming that it is a competent product.

[garybear]

Hi enoskype!

 

Hi JustDave,

 

Mamutu, MSE, AVG Pro, IS360 on my Windows7 as real-time, and some others for on demand.

 

Ad-aware, Windows Defender, McAfee, IS360, TeaTimer, and ZAP on my XP Pro sp3 as real time, and some others for on demand.

 

Cheers.

Hi enoskype. You say your using MSE and AVG Pro both. Aren't they both anti-viruses?? What do you think of MSE??

[sunny staines]

pctech

 

i setup norton and leave it to run when pc is idle, it not sluggish anymore like a year or two ago.

[JustDave]

I run Sunbelt's VIPRE, a combo antimalware/antivirus for my real time protection. It's always done right by me plus it has a very small footprint. IS360 and VIPRE make a good combination.

 

I run a number of on demand apps as well.

 

I was looking at OnlineArmor a while back...got a free license from some promotion. I'll probably fire it back up.

[enoskype]

Yes garybear, they are both A/V softwares.

 

I am only keeping them both for test purposes on Windows7 together and very soon AVG Pro is going to the Recycle Bin, as they didn't get on well with each other on my Vista. :wink: I am punishing AVG. :-P The PC was freezing when MSE wanted to update, and at some other instances, giving alerts with no apparent reason.

 

On Windows7, the detection rate of MSE is not bad at all, but the down side is, you are not the owner of the PC and MSE is.

Nothing much to adjust according to your needs, apart from turning it ON and OFF. System tray has only one option, -Open-, whether it is right click or left click!

 

The other thing bothers me is the compulsory membership to MS SpyNet.

 

That means, your PC will be communicating with MS servers.

Here is the Basic Membership (minimum requirement) conditions:

 

" http://forums.iobit.com/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif Basic membership

 

Send basic information to Microsoft about software that Microsoft security Essentials detects, including where the software came from, the actions that you apply or that Microsoft Security Essentials applies automatically, and whether the actions were succesful. In some instances, personal information might unintentionally be sent to Microsoft. However, Microsoft will not use this information to identify you or to contact you."

 

If it is OK for you, why not try it? :mrgreen:

 

FYI.

MSE for XP and MSE for Vista and Win7 are two different setup files.

 

Cheers.

[garybear]

Yes garybear, they are both A/V softwares.

 

I am only keeping them both for test purposes on Windows7 together and very soon AVG Pro is going to the Recycle Bin, as they didn't get on well with each other on my Vista. :wink: I am punishing AVG. :-P The PC was freezing when MSE wanted to update, and at some other instances, giving alerts with no apparent reason.

 

On Windows7, the detection rate of MSE is not bad at all, but the down side is, you are not the owner of the PC and MSE is.

Nothing much to adjust according to your needs, apart from turning it ON and OFF. System tray has only one option, -Open-, whether it is right click or left click!

 

The other thing bothers me is the compulsory membership to MS SpyNet.

 

That means, your PC will be communicating with MS servers.

Here is the Basic Membership (minimum requirement) conditions:

 

" http://forums.iobit.com/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif Basic membership

 

Send basic information to Microsoft about software that Microsoft security Essentials detects, including where the software came from, the actions that you apply or that Microsoft Security Essentials applies automatically, and whether the actions were succesful. In some instances, personal information might unintentionally be sent to Microsoft. However, Microsoft will not use this information to identify you or to contact you."

 

If it is OK for you, why not try it? :mrgreen:

 

FYI.

MSE for XP and MSE for Vista and Win7 are two different setup files.

 

Cheers.

Ok Thanks enoskype. Its a damn shame we have to have all this crap installed just to keep some idiot from infecting our PC. I have always used AVG until now, they hacked me off so I'm trying MSE. Every time I think I have all I need to protect me, some thing gets xxxxxx up. I don't know what to think about IObit 360. I still believe in them and hope it all gets straighten out soon. MSE is really simple and that's what this old simple minded man needs. If I get to badly infected ,I'll just reinstall with Macrium. The old forum is getting a little wild. It's nice to have all the new members but it's more than this old man can keep up with some times. Thanks for all you do my friend, you are much appreciated and loved.---gary

[detailer]

A Squared

 

I'll take a false positive over a non-detection any day of the week! It's a hell of a lot easier to research an entry than remove an infection. So far I've never had a false positive from A Squared or Avira either for that matter,although I keep reading that both are notorious for that .You certainly can't prove it by me.

[snake]

There's an elephant in the room and that elephant is the current IS360 signature databse. More and more users are commenting on the differences between the detection capabilities of v1.2 and v1.1, and people seem to be dancing around the answer.

 

The v1.2 database is less than half the the size of the v1.1 database. I have no doubt that's directly due to the removal of the "disputed definitions." It stands to reason that if you wipe half your definitions you're going to see reduced effectiveness.

 

Until IObit can clean up and repopulate the signature database IS360 is essentially guaranteed to let more malware through. Honesty and recognition of the dangers of the Internet require that we users accept that and take appropriate action to protect ourselves. I haven't yet decided what I'm going to do to take up the slack. Anyone have any suggestions?

 

 

I suggest you to read:

http://forums.iobit.com/showthread.php?p=30231#post30231

 

and this (or the "Find all posts by snake" link)

http://forums.iobit.com/showthread.php?p=29226#post29226

[itsmejjj]

hi members its interesting reading on the different ways you all use software

to protect your systems--

fascinating.i had no idea there are so many anti programs---

 

ok here is my virus program i use-

 

 

and io360. 1.10-that's it .not a problem ,no conflicts.

 

I'll just reinstall with Macrium ,i feel the same if something fouls up ..just redo my system 10 mi'nits we of again.brand new..

itsmejjj

[Maxxwire]

I'll take a false positive over a non-detection any day of the week! It's a hell of a lot easier to research an entry than remove an infection. So far I've never had a false positive from A Squared

 

For the very first time ever I got a notice of a false positive from A Squared after a definitions download of one single false positive as confirmed by the new definitions.

 

I used to have a pile of overlapping security software from nearly a dozen of the top vendors in the business which required 320 MB of RAM to run every minute the computer was running.

 

These days I have changed my ways and replaced all of that bloated software with an ultra slim set of smarter software including the Sandboxie to virtualize my browser, the Comodo Firewall Pro and Comodo Defense+ HIPS for detection on the computer all of which runs for 20 MB of RAM and so far not so much of a tracking cookie has been detected by A Squared Free and the 4 other on demand scanners I use! Plus without having to run all that excess security software my Vista computer runs better than ever and hits the desktop at 501 MB of RAM instead of 1 GB of RAM as it used to.

 

~Maxx~

[wozofoz]

Solution number 1

 

hi members its interesting reading on the different ways you all use software

to protect your systems--

fascinating.i had no idea there are so many anti programs---

 

ok here is my virus program i use-

 

 

and io360. 1.10-that's it .not a problem ,no conflicts.

 

I'll just reinstall with Macrium ,i feel the same if something fouls up ..just redo my system 10 mi'nits we of again.brand new..

itsmejjj

 

I know exactly what you are saying and how you feel totally protected (as long as your backup drive is ok)

For me though I have only a NetBook, no CD/DVD drive and no external HardDrive and do not want to get any of these.

 

My NetBook is my first computer and before that I did everything on the wonderful Palm TX PDA.

I have a fantastic bit of software called NVBackup which is like a Palm TX version of Macrium so if I wanted to test some new software I would simply do a backup and call it B4_SoftwareName then install the software and give it a good workout. I would try my hardest to make it crash !

If it passed the test I would still keep the backup for a few weeks 'just in case'

If it didn't pass the test I would simply HardReset (back to new condition) then Restore the backup.

All of this while drinking a cup of coffee :mrgreen:

 

So simple, quick and effective, I called it my TimeMachine :-D

 

All the best woz of oz

[itsmejjj]

(as long as your backup drive is ok)

 

this is a Must --nothing is allowed to it -bar if needed for a restore-

a 200 gig old drive in its own case-

 

My Net Book is that your only PC? had no idea -how big is the drive ?

or is it your 2nd user Intel 1.6 GHz Atom now the other thing can you expand the memory? to say 4 gig i wonder

just of interest --i have never used one--

 

itsmejjj

[demitris]

There's an elephant in the room and that elephant is the current IS360 signature databse. More and more users are commenting on the differences between the detection capabilities of v1.2 and v1.1, and people seem to be dancing around the answer.

 

The v1.2 database is less than half the the size of the v1.1 database. I have no doubt that's directly due to the removal of the "disputed definitions." It stands to reason that if you wipe half your definitions you're going to see reduced effectiveness.

 

Until IObit can clean up and repopulate the signature database IS360 is essentially guaranteed to let more malware through. Honesty and recognition of the dangers of the Internet require that we users accept that and take appropriate action to protect ourselves. I haven't yet decided what I'm going to do to take up the slack. Anyone have any suggestions?

 

The best Solution is proposed by SunnyStainess

 

http://forums.iobit.com/showthread.php?p=30667#post30667

 

cheers

[Maxxwire]

wozofoz- Do you have any applications on your computer that need more RAM than you already have? I have always heard that XP runs great with 1 GB of RAM. I was just curious because my Vista computer has 3 GB of RAM and I don't have any programs installed that I run regularly that use more than a total of 700 MB of RAM on the computer according to a very light program called MemInfo that I keep displayed in the system tray at all times to monitor my computer's RAM use although I have heard that online gaming eats up RAM in a hurry.

 

PiP the Acer Aspire One

AOA150 ZG5 • XP Home SP3 • RAM: 1GB • Processor: Intel 1.6 GHz Atom • BIOS (updated): 0.3309

 

~Maxx~

[Melvin_Deal]

Meminfo instead of smartram.

 

You choose this software instead of smartram. Please elaborate. Thanks!!

[enoskype]

Hi Melvin_Deal,

 

I think Maxx is using Meminfo only for information, he has explained before that he is using SmartRAM, and very satisfied with it.

 

I hope he replies and confirms this.

 

Cheers.

[wozofoz]

Pimp my NetBook

 

(as long as your backup drive is ok)

 

this is a Must --nothing is allowed to it -bar if needed for a restore-

a 200 gig old drive in its own case-

 

My Net Book is that your only PC? had no idea -how big is the drive ?

or is it your 2nd user Intel 1.6 GHz Atom now the other thing can you expand the memory? to say 4 gig i wonder

just of interest --i have never used one--

 

itsmejjj

 

"How big is the drive ?

If you mean physical size, it is a normal size drive not that mini thing

 

My Acer Aspire One NetBook (see sig) can only be upgraded to 1.5 GB RAM (or so they say) but there are some models (Hewlett Packard is one I think) that can be upgraded to 3 > 4 GB RAM.

 

Having read of your setup of computers I guess a NetBook would be a bit 'light' for you, but then, knowing your interest in all things computing, a NetBook 'overhaul' might be a fun project for you.

A search around the web will find some models that can be boosted in various ways and these can be cheap especially if your are happy with the older model. For example, my NetBook was us$400 when it was first released but dropped to us$200 at TigerDirect when the new model was released.

 

If you can find one that can be manipulated and boosted to your liking, you could then have some fun pulling it apart and adding the upgrades, then install a 'lite' XP or Win 7 or even Ubuntu thereby turning it into a lean and mean computing machine :smile:

The beauty of the NetBook is that you can easily take them anywhere, lounge around while using them then, put them in the drawer when not needed.

The price is right too :mrgreen:

 

wozofoz- Do you have any applications on your computer that need more RAM than you already have? I have always heard that XP runs great with 1 GB of RAM. I was just curious because my Vista computer has 3 GB of RAM and I don't have any programs installed that I run regularly that use more than a total of 700 MB of RAM on the computer according to a very light program called MemInfo that I keep displayed in the system tray at all times to monitor my computer's RAM use although I have heard that online gaming eats up RAM in a hurry.

 

PiP the Acer Aspire One

AOA150 ZG5 • XP Home SP3 • RAM: 1GB • Processor: Intel 1.6 GHz Atom • BIOS (updated): 0.3309

 

~Maxx~

 

I don't have (or need) any programs that use a lot of RAM but I have oodles anyway :smile:

I have done a lot of seaching the web for different 'tweaks', with those tweaks and the use of the fantastic IObit SmartRam I am very happy with the results.

PiP (my NetBook's name which means Pretty in Pink) when idling on DeskTop has about 750 (that's 75%) free, according to SmartRam but more according to TaskManager.

Right now with FireFox running and using Jarte notepad I see SmartRam says 730 and I have never seen it drop below 500

 

On the 16th September in This Thread I wrote:

 

2 weeks ago SmartRam in the SysBar would show a top figure of 570

I reduced the number of items in StartUp and changed some Services to Manual or Disabled and got it to an exciting top figure of 720.

 

After still more 'tweaking' the results were even better and I recently put the following simple test figures in a thread but I can't find it now so I will re-post:

 

I wanted to check what benefit, if any, SmartRam gave me on my Acer Aspire One NetBook, XP, SP3

I didn't use any special measuring tools I just checked TaskManager Performance.

SmartRam is set to Auto Free On only

The following figures are rounded down and are for Physical Memory - Available

 

Start and let it idle on the DeskTop for 3 minutes:

No SmartRam = 670000 SmartRam = 750000

 

Immediately after FireFox launch:

No SmartRam = 610000 SmartRam = 714000

 

While working with FireFox:

No SmartRam = 567000 SmartRam = 710000

 

FireFox still running and leave to idle for 3 minutes:

No SmartRam = 592000 SmartRam = 730000

 

Exit FireFox and let it idle on the DeskTop for 3 minutes:

No SmartRam = 677000 SmartRam = 750000

 

Add to that a startup time of 55 seconds, fast performance plus 5 hours battery life and I am one happy camper :smile:

 

All the best, woz of oz