90% Immovable

[enoskype]

Hi Aero,

 

This is the third time I am mentioning Ultimate Defrag, but I did not get any response from you.

 

Did you disregard it, or did you miss those previous posts?

 

Cheers.

[Aero]

Hi Aero,

 

This is the third time I am mentioning Ultimate Defrag, but I did not get any response from you.

 

Did you disregard it, or did you miss those previous posts?

 

Cheers.

 

I'm terribly sorry, i did read your posts, i however read Smart Defrag instead of Ultimate Defrag, i will try this right away.

 

EDIT:

Well, i'm having some weird experiences with this Ultimate Defrag, when i click Analyze or Start it just does nothing ... For a second it says Analazing... and than it says: Completed.

Do you have to set any special settings ?

[enoskype]

Hi Aero,

 

This is strange, as you can see that, Ultimate Defrag's even ver. 1.72 analyzed Windows7 Ultimate.

(Just after Deep Optimized defragmentation by Smart Defrag.)

 

It does also defrag (Not System Restore Points.) the disk and you can see what files are located where when you click on a block, or you can highlight any file to see the location flashing on the GUI.

 

Cheers.

[pdun459]

Aero, in all likelihood the files you're seeing as unmovable with Smart Defrag are System Restore Points and cannot be accessed. These files can take up as much as 15% of your total disk space, and for some reason defragging seems to make them reproduce like rabbits.

 

What you could do is temporarily turn off System Restore which will delete all the System Restore files: Start>Control Panel>System>System Protection>Uncheck C drive>Turn System Restore Off>Apply. Then do an analysis with Smart Defrag and see if most of the unmovable blocks are gone. To turn System Restore back on just go back and check C drive>Apply>Create a new restore point.

 

I got so tired of messing with these stupid files I now leave System Restore off most off the time; I wouldn't recommend that for everyone though. It would be nice if Smart Defrag had something like Ultimate Defrag or Defraggler where you could identify what's what.

 

Ultimate Defrag has a user's guide: Help>PDF Help. To view any block just click it and then click an entry that appears in the window to view the details, as enoskype's picture shows.

 

Good luck. :-)

[no bugs]

questions

 

what is mft how do i make my defrag less black:?:

[enoskype]

Hi no bugs,

 

Please read USAGE of IOBIT PRODUCTS thread in Lounge section, you will find tons of information there.

Also, you will find the answers to your questions there.

 

Cheers.

[Melvin_Deal]

Hi nobugs!

 

Also ton of info here: http://forums.iobit.com/showthread.php?t=612

[demitris]

Hi aero

 

first the black clusters do not consist 90% of data but about 1/3. You don't see the pale grey "litle used files".

 

second if you don't delete from time to time recovering points they can take up to 15% space of the total space of HARD-DISK!!

 

read the following post if the problem is exaggerated due to recovering points

 

http://forums.iobit.com/showthread.php?p=31494#post31494

 

cheers

[Aero]

Thanks for all the replies,

and i'm sorry i havent replied in a long time but i've had quite some problems lately so i couldnt really answer.

 

Yesterday i simply launched Smartdefrag 'as administrator' and its all movable again. Guess it must be something with the security settings Windows 7 changed compared to Vista, ...

 

Thanks all, and this can be closed or deleted or whatever you guys do on this forum with solved topics :)

[Melvin_Deal]

Upgrade as solution?

 

So your issue was accidently resolved by upgrading to 7. This is not a real solution, only a resolution of the problem for you. The thread will remain (I hope).

 

Thank you for your post back and the heads uP!!:-)

 

 

Sincerely, Mel

[enoskype]

Hi Mel,

 

As far as I understand, the problem is solved when starting SD as an Administrator. So it wasn't a problem even at the beginning, as it is compulsory to start SD as an Administrator.:wink:

 

Cheers.

[demitris]

hi aero

 

I'm sorry but i persist that many inmovable clusters are due to RESTORING POINTS. As I mentioned in older post they can take up to 15% of total space.

 

If u upgraded to Windows 7 from Vista it is natural at the beginning to have no Restoring Points. As the days pass u will notice black clusters accumulating in SMART-DEFRAG due to RESTORE-POINTS

 

cheers

[solbjerg]

Hi demitris

Some of the immovable files are certainly Windows System Restore points as you say.

The default setting used to be 12% of disk space reserved for this.

I have chosen 5% a long time ago - which by me means that I have 2866 MB reserved for restore points. I have 27 dates and 36 restore points going back a little over a month. This of course depends on the activity on your computer.

Each restore point then on average is around 80 MB.

In my opinion 10-15 restore points ought to be ample for most of us, I think. (that would by me mean around 2%)

Cheers

solbjerg

 

 

hi aero

 

I'm sorry but i persist that many inmovable clusters are due to RESTORING POINTS. As I mentioned in older post they can take up to 15% of total space.

 

If u upgraded to Windows 7 from Vista it is natural at the beginning to have no Restoring Points. As the days pass u will notice black clusters accumulating in SMART-DEFRAG due to RESTORE-POINTS

 

cheers

[Melvin_Deal]

Can't locate thread>

 

Hi Solbjerg!

 

Seems there was a thread a couple of months ago about setting the restore point percentage of HD. Can't seem to find it.

 

Do you remember what it was called??

 

Never mind!!! The link is in a post by Demetris right here in front of me... earlier in this very thread!! Duh.

Thanks Demetris!

 

Any Idea how I can manage the percentage dedicated to restore points in Vista Home Premium? Can't seem to find the path!

 

 

Thanks!

[solbjerg]

Hi Mel

I am sorry but I do not know where Vista has hidden the function/information.

I am still on XP - which I like very much.

Cheers

solbjerg

 

Hi Solbjerg!

 

Seems there was a thread a couple of months ago about setting the restore point percentage of HD. Can't seem to find it.

 

Do you remember what it was called??

 

Never mind!!! The link is in a post by Demetris right here in front of me... earlier in this very thread!! Duh.

Thanks Demetris!

 

Any Idea how I can manage the percentage dedicated to restore points in Vista Home Premium? Can't seem to find the path!

 

 

Thanks!

[demitris]

hi melvin

 

i have Vista Home Premium SP2 also and when u search in HELP about Restoring Points u can find Information

 

As i know Vista uses up to 15% space for restoring points (it is for disks more than 1Gb and 500Mb free space)

 

When this 15% space is full the SYSTEM removes oldest POINTS in order to restore new ones.

 

U can remove all but one from time to time using the method i suggested in older post in DISK CLEAN-UP.

 

I don't know if u can alter the 15% space but Solbjerg refered u can.

 

cheers

[solbjerg]

Ok demitris

So Vista has a 15% limit, - XP 12%.

Changing the limit in XP is done by right clicking my computer/choosing Properties/then the tab System Restore and then move the slide to the desired percentage.

Cheers

solbjerg

 

 

hi melvin

 

i have Vista Home Premium SP2 also and when u search in HELP about Restoring Points u can find Information

 

As i know Vista uses up to 15% space for restoring points (it is for disks more than 1Gb and 500Mb free space)

 

When this 15% space is full the SYSTEM removes oldest POINTS in order to restore new ones.

 

U can remove all but one from time to time using the method i suggested in older post in DISK CLEAN-UP.

 

I don't know if u can alter the 15% space but Solbjerg refered u can.

 

cheers

[Melvin_Deal]

Thank you Demetris an Sobjerg!!

 

To Solbjerg: Aye that MS has hidden that well in Vista! Cannot find it!

 

To Demetris: I'm also on Service pack 2... can't find the way to limit restore points as Solbjerg can in his XP. I'm not comfortable with taking them back to only one... unless I am sure that is the only option. I will continue looking for a way to limit the percentage of Harddrive dedicated... or a set number of restore points before they fall off.

 

Thanks guys!!!:mrgreen:

[solbjerg]

Hi Mel

They have made the procedure rather cumbersome in Vista.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/reduce-system-restores-disk-usage-in-vista/

In Win 7 they have made it easy - like in XP.

Cheers

solbjerg

 

 

To Solbjerg: Aye that MS has hidden that well in Vista! Cannot find it!

 

To Demetris: I'm also on Service pack 2... can't find the way to limit restore points as Solbjerg can in his XP. I'm not comfortable with taking them back to only one... unless I am sure that is the only option. I will continue looking for a way to limit the percentage of Harddrive dedicated... or a set number of restore points before they fall off.

 

Thanks guys!!!:mrgreen:

[solbjerg]

lowering number of restore points

 

Hi Demitris and Mel

I have now lowered my max to 3% ca. 1.5 GB

Have not noticed any change in immovable files yet, but I will check it again in a couple of days.

Cheers

solbjerg

[demitris]

hi solbjerg

 

by reducing the RESTORE POINTS space you reduce the possibility for immovable clusters to build-up.

 

But immovable blocks it's not actually a problem and i don't understand why some members here worry about that.

 

OK restore points are immovable. What is actually the problem?

 

People, because they don't know worry when they see black immovable clusters to increase. They don't know that the System creates Restoring Points up to 15% space for Vista. Others worry cause they see to loose space from day to day (approx. 1Gb) after installing a new System or buying a new PC and cannot realise this is due to Restore-Points

 

cheers

[Melvin_Deal]

Thanks again Solbjerg and Demetris!

 

Thanks for the lookup Solbjerg!!!:-)

 

I'm not so concerned about immovable blocks as what I view to be excessive "clutter" and useless hard drive allocation on my system.

[solbjerg]

Hi both

I am not concerned either, - but demitris you opened up the subject again and I thought I would do a little testing.

At this point in time it only looks as if going from 5% to 3% has removed 2 black immovable boxes out of 57. But I will keep the 3% for a while and check once in a while whether it has made any discernible difference.

Cheers

solbjerg

 

Thanks for the lookup Solbjerg!!!:-)

 

I'm not so concerned about immovable blocks as what I view to be excessive "clutter" and useless hard drive allocation on my system.

[Melvin_Deal]

Successful Restore Allocation

 

I resized the allocated disk space to 7GB's. successfully. :smile: I regained a net of 18 GB's of space on hard drive!!!

 

But it wiped all restore points at the same time! I wish I had made a fresh Macrium Image!! Mine is a couple of weeks old.

 

So Vista users be warned!! Make a fresh back-up image before doing this!

 

Sincerely,

 

Mel

[enoskype]

Hi Mel,

 

Before resizing to a smaller size, perhaps, Ccleaner's utility can be used to clear some of the older ones to prevent all of the SR to be deleted, but I am not sure. :idea:

 

Cheers.