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  • mightypecan
    started a topic Problems booting - screen jumping after using ASC3

    Problems booting - screen jumping after using ASC3

    I used ASC in early January and basically have had this problem since then. What happens is the computer will never restart...I always have to manually turn the power off. Once I press it again to turn the computer on, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't (though fan is running), I have to turn it back off manually, then turn it back on. It usually works this time, however every time graphics or video are present the screen goes crazy. For example the whole time I'm typing this the screen is basically 'flickering', which is the text box being reproduced...hopefully this makes sense.

    I am using XP Home Edition with Service Pack 3. I have tried numerous repair installs with an XP disc, new mbr...nada. I've also tried some of the things on Ultimate Boot CD For Windows with no luck....any ideas? I don't see where it's necessary to redo Windows since I can get on...just the problem is usually there.

    There have been times when I could get it to shut down and boot up with no problems...always the reboot not working. Lately though, it's been an on going issue whether I'm booting or rebooting.
    Last edited by mightypecan; Feb. 21st, 2009, 05:56. Reason: grammar

  • mightypecan
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    I installed a Thermaltake PSU and it still doesn't make a difference. I recently learned that the computer programmer for the company I work for plays on the softball team with me...I've only been there 5 weeks, so I still don't know many people. Anywho, I'm taking the tower to him tomorrow. I was planning on taking it somewhere this weekend, but I figure he can save me a little green. I'll be sure to keep you folks updated...especially those of you who have taken the time to suggest solutions. You all are much appreciated.

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  • enoskype
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    I am out of ideas mightypecan, is it possible for you to visually check the motherboard to see if there is any burned out electronics? In the mean time, you can check the cards if there is any which is not seated correctly.

    I'm not familiar with the power supplies, so I would take the advice of the shop.

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  • mightypecan
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    I tried loading my bios into that program...then everything froze. The Realtek speaker icon in the taskbar displayed the message, "a jack is unplugged." I manually turned the computer off...now I cannot get past the Emachines splash screen that displays the options for BIOS settings or Boot options. Neither of those work...BIOS only loads some, then totally stops. The XP disc doesn't work either...how can I boot into Windows?

    I am using an old, highly unreliable PC at the moment....since I cannot get on the other computer.

    EDIT: After waiting, the computer decided to show the choose boot device menu...I chose the master hard drive and it booted...though with the usual "fireworks" I've been getting on most startups.

    I'm thinking about trying a new power supply. I've read Thermaltake is pretty good...what is your opinion? Please go here to see what I have stock: http://parts.emachines.com/sys_lookup.asp. The model for my CPU is T6216.

    As mentioned before, I appreciate all the help I'm getting. I am used to being able to figure out most of the stuff...whether by my own troubleshooting or by searching for help on the net...but this is frustrating to no end.

    EDIT AGAIN: While I was on the internet looking for fixes...just browsing the internet, the screen got all jumbled...but no blue screen. Now I cannot get the computer to boot at all. I've tried probably 30 times. It powers up, you can hear everything running (and see it since I have the case open), but the monitor is in standby and the keyboard lights don't blink...only Number lock is lit. I tried moving the jumper to clear CMOS, nothing. I tried different RAM combinations, nothing.
    Last edited by mightypecan; Apr. 8th, 2009, 04:14.

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  • enoskype
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    The inconsistency made me think of RAM. Still you can try, as it may be incompatability of different RAM (1GB-250MB)which may not be shown by Memtest..

    Please have a look here for NVIDIA Bios Editing. May be it is another thing to try if it is compatible with your hardware.

    Cheers.

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  • mightypecan
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    I ran Memtest86 and the scan showed now problems with the RAM...was this similar to trying to boot with one or the other? The problem with testing boot scenarios is that on occasion things work normally...and unfortunately it's nearly impossible to determine what, if anything, caused it to work correctly. The other week, after messing with the video drivers, I had it booting and rebooting...then after almost a week the same story occurred.

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  • enoskype
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    Hi mightypecan,

    I am really sorry that you couldn't find the reason of this weird behaviour yet.

    Can you please start the PC with only one (1) 1GB RAM, then with the other one (1) 1GB RAM, then only two (2) 250MB RAMs to see if there is any difference in the booting and the display.

    Cheers.

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  • mightypecan
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    The battery has never been replaced...computer was bought in March/April 2006.

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  • solbjerg
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    Hi mightypecan
    Just a thought - how old is the computer, - and how old is the little battery inside it. When this battery is becoming to low it can give a lot of strange apparently unrelated failures.
    Best of luck!
    Cheers
    solbjerg


    Originally posted by mightypecan View Post
    Update...

    I couldn't get the registration for Fresh Diagnose to go through (apparently they don't like free email accounts...which is all I have).

    I couldn't find the X-Setup Pro freeware you use...only the new pay version.

    Using Nvidia tools, I was able to learn which drivers were out of date...fixed that. However at one point, not sure if it was nforce or geforce (need both), one of the new ones prevented the computer from booting into Windows, and Safe Mode would freeze on the login screen. I had to do a repair install to get back into Windows.

    I still never could get anything to work right...the computer still doesn't reboot. However, I did find a fix for the jumpy screen...at least so far. I have to change the color to 16 bit, medium quality. I use 1152x864 resolution...32 bit causes problems, where it used to not cause them. I have tried default drivers and everything imaginable, no luck. I haven't tried to shutdown and boot without rebooting, but as I said, reboot still doesn't work. I'm just glad to get rid of the annoying screen issues. Though I'm sure it's not good for the computer if I have to keep pressing and depressing the power button to get the computer to boot past post. I like this computer a lot and am trying to make it last long as possible...I have 2.5 gigs of RAM and it runs smoothly other than the strange boot problems.

    Edit: So much for that...while looking at NBA box scores, small horizontal lines appeared...then everything locked up (no blue screen) and I had to press the power button to turn it off. Then when I tried to boot again, it took a couple of tries to get it to work...back to 32 bit and the graphics/video issue.

    Additional Edit: I found out that when I switch to a smaller resolution (1024x768 on down) the streaks/jumps go away. However this still doesn't fix the reboot issue...but at least it works even after multiple attempts to get the computer to boot. I hate it though...everything is too big on 1024x768. I've gotten used to higher resolutions. Fixing the boot problem is the answer, I think, but other than a new power supply, I don't have any other clue. And that doesn't seem logical given the strange circumstance it does and doesn't do certain things.

    Yet another edit: It appears 1024x768 is also beginning to be affected...though it's a bit here and there rather than all the time. Crap.

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  • mightypecan
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    Update...

    I couldn't get the registration for Fresh Diagnose to go through (apparently they don't like free email accounts...which is all I have).

    I couldn't find the X-Setup Pro freeware you use...only the new pay version.

    Using Nvidia tools, I was able to learn which drivers were out of date...fixed that. However at one point, not sure if it was nforce or geforce (need both), one of the new ones prevented the computer from booting into Windows, and Safe Mode would freeze on the login screen. I had to do a repair install to get back into Windows.

    I still never could get anything to work right...the computer still doesn't reboot. However, I did find a fix for the jumpy screen...at least so far. I have to change the color to 16 bit, medium quality. I use 1152x864 resolution...32 bit causes problems, where it used to not cause them. I have tried default drivers and everything imaginable, no luck. I haven't tried to shutdown and boot without rebooting, but as I said, reboot still doesn't work. I'm just glad to get rid of the annoying screen issues. Though I'm sure it's not good for the computer if I have to keep pressing and depressing the power button to get the computer to boot past post. I like this computer a lot and am trying to make it last long as possible...I have 2.5 gigs of RAM and it runs smoothly other than the strange boot problems.

    Edit: So much for that...while looking at NBA box scores, small horizontal lines appeared...then everything locked up (no blue screen) and I had to press the power button to turn it off. Then when I tried to boot again, it took a couple of tries to get it to work...back to 32 bit and the graphics/video issue.

    Additional Edit: I found out that when I switch to a smaller resolution (1024x768 on down) the streaks/jumps go away. However this still doesn't fix the reboot issue...but at least it works even after multiple attempts to get the computer to boot. I hate it though...everything is too big on 1024x768. I've gotten used to higher resolutions. Fixing the boot problem is the answer, I think, but other than a new power supply, I don't have any other clue. And that doesn't seem logical given the strange circumstance it does and doesn't do certain things.

    Yet another edit: It appears 1024x768 is also beginning to be affected...though it's a bit here and there rather than all the time. Crap.
    Last edited by mightypecan; Apr. 6th, 2009, 06:43.

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  • enoskype
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    Diagnose

    Hi mightypecan,

    -For bechmarking and testing, you can try free Fresh Diagnose from Fresh Devices.

    -Another program to play with everthing including NVIDIA display is X-Setup Pro. I use the free version 6.6.300 Final1. Very powerful program, but I am not sure if a free version is available at the moment.
    The site address is : http://www.x-setup.net/home.asp?lang=EN

    -Have you tried nvidia system tools 6.03 (82.1 MB) (XP 32-64, Vista 32-64) released Jan 2009, downloadable from here ?
    I don't know what it is, but I would try it.

    -I am not sure if it fits to you, but today, there is the latest NVIDIA ForceWare driver in MajorGeeks for XP.

    I hope this is helpful.

    Cheers.

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  • mightypecan
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    How does one get DriverMax to actually install anything? It mentions on their site that a website will open when you search for new drivers...I didn't get anything that allowed options to choose what to download. I know from downloading the useless (pay $30) Driver Agent that I have old drivers, but when I manually try to search for some of them I cannot find anything...for example; NVIDIA MCP51 Serial ATA Controller. This brings up options to download from Nvidia...however I have no clue how to find it in their downloads sectio

    Update: I figured out how to get it to work...though I had to log on to the DriverMax site with the account I created when I installed the program...found the updates that way. I'm in the process of installing them and will post the results in the next day or two.

    Thanks for the help...here's hoping one of these drivers is the 'key.'
    Last edited by mightypecan; Apr. 1st, 2009, 05:09.

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  • detailer
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    Just A Shot...

    Hi MP-I'm leaning toward driver related.Go to System>System Properties>Hardware>Device Manager.Call out your drivers one at a time with a right click and choose Properties.This gives an indicator if the driver is functioning properly,and the option to scan it.Are your drivers pretty well up to date? DriverMax is quite reliable,and can be downloaded here.If nothing else,you may find some updates you can use.The roll back feature in Windows should be adequate if you experience any incompatibility issues.ASC also has a full driver back up utility if you decide to reinstall it.Best of luck.

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  • mightypecan
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    I ran those programs/scanners as suggested, no problems.

    I only have a surge protector between my computer and the power outlet.

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  • enoskype
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    Worth trying, you never know. Do you use UPS in between? Check that too.

    BTW, you have replies in Spyware Help! thread to your post that I copied there for HijackThis analysis.

    Cheers.

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