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Hi Okie

I am sure that you mean well, but you can't have thought this through.

Many members know more than many of us do and gives very good advice. I know that I have learned a lot from knowledgeable fellows on this forum.

And the whole idea of a forum is that we can help each other.

Furthermore we need to have time to keep the forum relatively clean from spammers and the like.

There are many of our forum users that could do at least as good a job as I, but it is a decision that rests with IObit on how many and who that they want as administrators and moderators.

We all make mistakes from time to time and can sometimes end up giving bogus advice, - I have had my share of those, and are then grateful if some member gives the right advice and saves some user with trouble from a lot of grief.

Cheers

solbjerg

 

Hi members. This is my own opinion and observation, it is not suggested or supported by any IObit staf, Moderators, Administrators or any one on the list below. We all want to jump in and help our new members, which is a great thing to do. I feel that the right suggestions are not always given by all, even though they want to help. This is my own personal feelings. I think it would be better if some of us waited and let those on the list below respond first, and then we could add our help with posts latter. This is my opinion and my opinion only. I hope this doesn't discourage any one wanting to help members. I just think it might be better to back off a little and let those on this list respond first and then add to the thread. I can't seem to stay out of trouble and I know this thread is looking for trouble, but that's just old garybear spouting off. I welcome all comments that agree or disagree.---GB
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Hi solbjerg. I have thought about this thread a long time I knew there would be disagreement and it is welcomed my friend. Every thing is true in your post. We have a lot of knowledge on this forum. Almost all my knowledge has been learned on this forum. I'm only saying there may be a few that need to back off a while before giving advice. I really believe every member should join in on every thread. That's what makes us so great. You can say that many know more than you, but I won't agree to that. All I'm trying to say is wait a while to post unless you are pretty sure you are giving the best advice. I joined this forum when there were just a few that suggested advice on problems. The forum has probably tripled since I joined as garybear. I know that has added to your work load and my thread is probably out of line ,but you know how I am by now. I speak what's on my mind. PS and get in a lot of trouble.---GB

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Hi enoskype!!

 

Hi Gary the Okie,

 

If that's getting in a lot of trouble, what are we the Admins getting into? :idea::-P:lol:

 

Cheers my friend.:wink:

 

Hi friend. I only want our new members getting the best advice. You are doing a fine job and so are all Admins!! You were appointed because you were deserving of the trust of IObit staff. I hope this thread doesn't discourage any one from posting and giving their 2 cents. That is not my intention. Should have minded my own business, but then I wouldn't be garybear.---GB

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Ah, but Okie, no one can know everything. Someone who might give a less than perfect answer on one topic may be an expert on another. The new member might wait for days, starving in the wilderness waiting for someone on "the list" to post first. For example, if I had a question about Macrium Reflect would I want an answer from someone on the list? No. I'd want an answer from my bud, GaryBear. He may not know networking, but HDD backup and imaging he knows.

 

Personally, I think participation in the community is more important than perfection. It's also the best way to learn.

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Hi Dave!!!

 

Ah, but Okie, no one can know everything. Someone who might give a less than perfect answer on one topic may be an expert on another. The new member might wait for days, starving in the wilderness waiting for someone on "the list" to post first. For example, if I had a question about Macrium Reflect would I want an answer from someone on the list? No. I'd want an answer from my bud, GaryBear. He may not know networking, but HDD backup and imaging he knows.

 

Personally, I think participation in the community is more important than perfection. It's also the best way to learn.

Hi my friend Dave. Your point is well taken, but I have never seen anyone starving in the wilderness waiting for an answer on this forum. All I'm saying Dave, is not to get in a big rush and post before our administrators have had a chance to answer and then post your opinion. I may be way out of the ball park here, but it seems to me that our administrators are holding back. That may be because they are very busy. I think that participation is what makes our forum the best there is, and no one is perfect and we all can learn from each other. You have given me way to much credit my friend ,but thank you. There is so much for me to learn and I learn some thing every day on this forum and I'm blessed to have found so many friends. Thank you my friend for your opinion. It is well excepted by this old man.---GB

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Sometimes.

 

Sometimes quick attention is what matters. To reach out a hand and heart. Sometimes those with issues post them and hover... waiting for somebody to show interest or care... even if the resolution is not immediately forthcoming. At least they know and are assured that they are cared for!

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Hi Mel!!!

 

Sometimes quick attention is what matters. To reach out a hand and heart. Sometimes those with issues post them and hover... waiting for somebody to show interest or care... even if the resolution is not immediately forthcoming. At least they know and are assured that they are cared for!

 

Hi Mel!! thank you for your comment. It is well taken. I see your point. Lets make our members feel that they are cared for as you say. An answer given in haste might do more harm than good is all I'm saying. It is true the more information we have about the problem, the better we can help solve the problem. I feel like a friendly greeting to a new member would be a good place to start. Then we can give them the third degree if we need more information. If you start out as you did on the thread about holes found in IObit 360, you may turn a member off. I have noticed they did not return, but that could be for other reasons. Thank you for your opinion my friend. It was well excepted by a grumpy old man, who's having his period or some thing like that.--GB

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List is full!

 

The member list is full of those that post one time and never come back!:neutral:

 

Whether they found resolution to the issue we will never know!

 

If I see a brief post that contains the information: "I have a problem... here it is!" I will post back also with the same urgency, especially if I see the member is still here! In the case you refer to, the member did not post back... but did I run them off??? Did I run every member who posts here off???

 

Are you trying to run me off?

 

I am a help here... not a hinderance!!:-D

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No need to push!!

 

These are my thoughts. Admins are chosen by IObit for their ability to solve problems and for their ability to deal with people. I believe it takes a certain type of person to do do this. I believe that experience is the way these skills are learned. I want to do my part and help our admins, but I believe I need to be a follower and not a leader. I will always be there to help when I can and if my help is needed. I do not have the knowledge or the skills to be leader on this forum, and so I will always be a helper. I do not have any desire to be a leader. I think there may be some on this forum who think they have this ability, but they do not, and they will never have that ability. Some times people are given titles that are not deserved , but I have never seen this on this forum. If you deserve and have the skills, you will be recognized. I have seen that happen twice in my time on the forum. detailer and woz-of-oz. The others were already admins when I joined. No need to push, you will be recognized if you are deserving. PS I'm still having my period.--GB

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As you wish GB/Okie

 

I will desist.

 

Never did or tried to do aything but help... that's all!!:-)

 

P.S. Its not always acceptable to apologize if you include an apology all the time! If you feel like you must apologize every time you speak, then why speak at all! I have and will come here to help members and visitors as I see fit!!!

 

Nice and friendly environment (and unproductive) we have going on here! This is why I will desist/not respond.

 

P.S.S. I have never asked for a title here, and VIP rating comes only with the number of posts!

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These are my thoughts. Admins are chosen by IObit for their ability to solve problems and for their ability to deal with people.--GB

 

i'm going to barge in here and post something...just because administrators are chosen by iobit themselves, doesn't mean they have all the answers...even new members can be experts in solving problems, exp. someone could be a new member but also a pc repair tech.

 

No need to push, you will be recognized if you are deserving.

 

i don't think people are pushing when their answering...some may, but most aren't

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Hi pyrath!!

 

i'm going to barge in here and post something...just because administrators are chosen by iobit themselves, doesn't mean they have all the answers...even new members can be experts in solving problems, exp. someone could be a new member but also a pc repair tech.

 

 

 

i don't think people are pushing when their answering...some may, but most aren't

Hi pyrath. I have never implied that our admins have all the answers. I said they were chosen because of, not only their knowledge, but their ability to deal with people. I realize a new member may have the experience of a PC tech and a lot of knowledge, but can they deal with people. Do they know the ways of our forum and the knowledge of IObit programs. You say some may push , but most don't, and I agree with you 100%. Our forum is different because we can discuss topics like this. The admins are our leaders and we are their helpers. If you are a brand new PC tech and have some thing to share, you are welcome on this forum. I can tell who the next admins person IObit will choose just by watching how they react to people on this forum.They have chosen our admins wisely is all I'm saying. If you have whats it takes and except the title, IObit will find you and no need to push.---GB

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My road to administator-hood

 

I will tell you my story

In the autumn of 2006 I came across the program AWC, - I downloaded it and liked it so much that I wanted to give something back for the free use of it, and I therefore translated the language files of the two free programs - that was what IObit had in those days - into Danish.

In May 2007 I joined the forum and shortly afterwards a month or two I think I was made an administrator.

In the words of Tim "I will make you administrator - I think it will be alright"

(I haven't heard him regret his decision yet) :-)

I hadn't at that time written very much in the forum, but they knew me from my translation of the program, and probably figured that I had read the manual and knew of the Options and settings in the programs from translating the programs and using them.

They must have been in need of an extra hand administrator-wise

Administrator Clayton - a very knowledgeable fellow - had increasingly lesser time for the forum due to his studies - I miss the knowledge he brought to the forum, - so that was probably part of the reason.

Since then I have learned many things from knowledgeable fellows - we have many - that have written answers to problems from user in the forum. Most notably enoskype.

And some I have learned by doing a little research into problems posed by users before trying to answer them.

After IObit became the "talk of the town" in late October and November we have seen a drastic increase in the number of spammers in the forum, and this have of course added to the "workload" we have - the new programs IObit has developed has done that too.

So recently the number of administrators went up, that was a big help for us. I suspect they want to see how we are holding up before possibly adding to the number of administrators.

The main thing for us is not to be administrators (gives you a few more options - like banning spammers :-) ) but to try to help people with problems, - and we could have done that without being administrators.

Cheers

solbjerg

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Hi Mel!!!

 

I will desist.

 

Never did or tried to do aything but help... that's all!!:-)

 

P.S. Its not always acceptable to apologize if you include an apology all the time! If you feel like you must apologize every time you speak, then why speak at all! I have and will come here to help members and visitors as I see fit!!!

 

Nice and friendly environment (and unproductive) we have going on here! This is why I will desist/not respond.

 

P.S.S. I have never asked for a title here, and VIP rating comes only with the number of posts!

Hi Mel. You seem to think any thread but yours is unproductive. I understand and know why you have a VIP rating. You have posted over 500 posts in 5 months. My comment was you got to a VIP rating faster than any one I have ever seen before. I will say this my friend if the shoe fits, wear it ,it it doesn't fit ,find one that does.If you do not respond, I will not have to answer you,and that will be good. I welcome any comments on this thread. I will read each one and will respond as I see fit, and every member that wishes to post on this thread is welcome and you don't need to be a PC tech to post. I don't expect every one to agree with my opinions. If admins think this thread is not acceptable, it will be closed and that will not bother me one little bit. I express my opinion, just like those opinions that were allowed by those who wished us harm. Members listened and members responded to them. I will look and see how you responded to them. This thread was meant to praise our admins and that is the only reason I started it. I have no hard feelings for any one and I just speak my mind, and you sir are allowed to do the same. I only wish good things for our forum. I criticize to help our forum be better. Some times personality's clash and that's just the way it is. Ours seem to being doing just that at this moment.---GB

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Hi!! It is my opinion that you do not have to post on every thread that is started. Even our admins don't do that. If you feel it's necessary to post on every thread, then it seems to me you are pushing for some reason. IObit will find you if they need you, and if more admins are needed, I'm sure they will be added. We have several that can do the job if they are needed. When the work load becomes to heavy, IObit will see that and add admins as they see fit. It is my understanding that no pay is involved. I personally don't see why any one would want the job. I want to thank each one of our admins, for all the work they do for us on our forum. I started this thread for that reason any maybe one other reason, which if you are smart, you can read between the lines and figure that out for your self.--GB PS Very nice post solbjerg. IObit did well by picking you to represent them on this forum. They have picked all their admins well.

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Hi friends :wink:

 

It happens to me to be online during the most of members are sleeping, because of jet lag, and to read a thread asking help or written by compatriot...

I then felt invest with a duty of assistance and if my knowledge allowed it, of answers the thread... or to assure the very next intervention of one of our specialists...

 

So, you are both my special friends and without wanting mislay me in a definite swording, semantic content of which could have in these circonstances its polemical impact, I think that Melvin is part of our specialists... That his workmanship of the subject is not any more to show and it is in its nature to bring its efficient help...

 

Best regard to you all ! :wink:

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ok i sat back a bit on this .

 

help .i always was under the impression ,that is what we do?

now as for who gets in first ,is nether here or there.so long as the asked, gets the answer ? is this right?

so who should we leave this to? just a few selected?

now as for personalities,this must not come into it..and any one giveing a anser allowed ,to finish with the asked..

as for VIP .yes this is a nice gift given..but if its cheap.well perhaps change its rating?

now as far as i see this .if a member has 50 posts ,or 200000,posts make him/her no different.bar one is very active..

for example.we have here some very surprising clever people..and then we have the ones who are specialists.in one field or a other..

so we see less comments made..then we have the jack of all trades.

(dabblers) or people who experiment.with different aspects of pc..

and can in most cases give a 90% answer ..

ok i think also depending when a member is on.and for how long..

 

admins,or not ,we all give free time..why? some are and have time ,nothing better to do .

ME!! plenty of it ..and i find this a beautiful way to pass time..

 

i think leave things as thy are..???

 

itsmejjj

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Hi!! It is my opinion that you do not have to post on every thread that is started. Even our admins don't do that. If you feel it's necessary to post on every thread, then it seems to me you are pushing for some reason. IObit will find you if they need you, and if more admins are needed, I'm sure they will be added. We have several that can do the job if they are needed. When the work load becomes to heavy, IObit will see that and add admins as they see fit. It is my understanding that no pay is involved. I personally don't see why any one would want the job. I want to thank each one of our admins, for all the work they do for us on our forum. I started this thread for that reason any maybe one other reason, which if you are smart, you can read between the lines and figure that out for your self.--GB PS Very nice post solbjerg. IObit did well by picking you to represent them on this forum. They have picked all their admins well.

 

 

well Gary how very wrong this is..how many posting are made .i would suggest has nothing to do with picking any Pearson.

" I personally don't see why any one would want the job." you stated..

ok i can understand this..but i do not think Mel ask.any one?or is pushing,for the ask,?

 

and if offered this would be up to mel to decide on..i for one think he would be a very good one..

 

 

AS .for admin..and if offered to myself...

i for one would be very grateful.. but i am not asking..and will hope that perhaps one day i may be asked..(but also understand if i never got asked..)

 

 

until that time comes .Mel and i as others keep on going.

enjoying the site..

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well Gary how very wrong this is..how many posting are made .i would suggest has nothing to do with picking any Pearson.

" I personally don't see why any one would want the job." you stated..

ok i can understand this..but i do not think Mel ask.any one?or is pushing,for the ask,?

 

and if offered this would be up to mel to decide on..i for one think he would be a very good one..

 

 

AS .for admin..and if offered to myself...

i for one would be very grateful.. but i am not asking..and will hope that perhaps one day i may be asked..(but also understand if i never got asked..)

 

 

until that time comes .Mel and i as others keep on going.

enjoying the site..

Hi jjj. Thanks for your post. I agree it is fine to answer a thread, because some admins are asleep. I don't agree that it's a big emergency and needs to be answered right away. Your also right about how many posts are made is not a reason to pick an admins. woz-of-oz is a great example of that and I think was a great chose by IObit. You my friend have the knowledge but not the temperament to be a administrator and you are a big risk taker. You are a great asset to our forum ,but it's better that you remain a VIP and a helper, not a leader. I tell it the way I see it. I have rarely seen the forum when there weren't any admins watching or active on the forum, so that is not a very good answer either. I'm sure this thread will end soon and all who wish to be heard will have been heard. I don't regret starting this thread and I don't regret any of my posts. Everyone is welcome to their opinions here on this forum and there are many.---GB

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Many were surprised!

 

There were many that were surprised by the abrupt release of the first non-beta version of 360 and the addition of the conduit toolbar by default!:shock:

 

In reference to Solbjerg's reply below: Aye! I noticed my overreaction at the time and added an edit line to this effect. (Also notice my limiting excessive posts by editing)

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Hi Mel

Yes many do not read before clicking. I do!

I found some of the responses a little overreactive.

But I myself think that this practice of having it installed by default is wrong, it ought to be set up to be actively chosen.

The practice of having it chosen for you as default is widespread though.

(doesn't make it better, but it does make it somewhat more understandable)

Cheers

solbjerg

 

 

There were many that were surprised by the abrupt release of the first non-beta version of 360 and the addition of the conduit toolbar by default!:shock:
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Hi Okie

This smacks a little of maliciousness :-(

I am sure that we all have posts that doesn't live up to our best effort - eh garyOkie?

Give it a rest please!!

Cheers

solbjerg

Hi solbjerg. There is no one that has more of those posts than garyOkie. I do not pretend to be a nice guy. I speck from my heart and wear my feeling on my sleeve. I'm not looking for a title and would not except one if it was offered. I will honor your request and only post on this thread if some one has an opinion that I feel needs to be answered. If I was malicious , there was a reason for it in my mind; right or wrong. ---GB

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